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text🌻seeking legal advice

Type: Text (backdated to before Farplane event)
Sender ID: Anonymous
To: Public
Subject: Seeking legal advice
Warnings: None

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Hello.

I am in need of legal advice regarding a private matter:

Is a marriage contract legally binding if one or more parties involved were under the influence of spiritual possession while it was officiated?

Thank you for your assistance.

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I'm not a lawyer but I've heard that ghost marriages are technically legally binding?

But if it's fairly recent you should be able to get an anullment.

...Yes.

No.

[ She doesn't mince words... but there's a follow-up after a couple of minutes. ]

If things work similarly to where I'm from, it's void due to lack of consent.

[If there's anyone who knows about ghosts and marriages (not together mind you but you get what you get), it's Ranma, much to his chagrin. Hi Zelda, here's your local chaos gremlin.]

Was it done in yours and the other's name, or whoever was possessing you's? Cause if it's in someone else's name, then I don't think that counts... Though most of the weddings where I'm from typically don't involve written contracts, so take this with a grain of salt.

... If they try to say otherwise though, you could always beat them up. That always renders it null and void when you win in my experience!

I doubt it. Even if it were, it'd be easy to get it annulled. Just cite "under the influence". If it works for drunks, it works for uh. Can't believe I'm saying this: Ghosts.

[Darin, naturally, has not learned how to respond to things anonymously.]

Wait this happened to someone else too?! They really gotta put some disclaimers out there or something.

Edited 2024-11-14 18:28 (UTC)

Why you makin' this so complicated? [Vegeta's a drama queen too. Must be a royal thing. Thank the Kais Nappa's such an everyman.]

The hell do ghosts gotta do with it? If you wanna be married to the guy, you're married to him. If you DON'T wanna be married to the guy, you ain't. Was anyone gonna know differently before you said anything about it?

ONLY IF YOU CONSUMMATED THE MARRIAGE

BED THE OTHER PERSON IF YOU WANNA KEEP THEM

SHOW THEM WHO YOU ARE!!!!!

[ ...

Well. That was a new one. ]

First I've heard of anything like that. Are you saying the marriage was not consensual?

Well, these things can certainly get a bit dodgy when there are spirits involved, but I suppose I can guess roughly when this might have happened.

There is, of course, the matter of consent; regardless of whether or not your bodies were taken forcefully, there is a difference between the hosts exchanging vows and the spirits. The line is a touch blurry, I'll admit, but if there was no token of affection exchanged or registration with a magister of some sort, I hardly think it counts.

[HELLO DID SOMEONE SAY CONTRACTS--oh wait, it's a marriage contract. Not his favorite kind to talk about, but still--]

It can depend on multiple factors based on how the contract was written, at least for marriage licenses. Did you consent to this possession, or was the decision made under duress? If it's the latter, then the marriage license is often thrown out if one or both applicants are judged to have not been "sound of mind" at the time. Secondly, did you use your actual name, or did the spirits use their names? Did you sign any documents with your dominant hand? If a couple provides false information, and/or signs any marriage documentation with the wrong hand, the license is also invalidated as it's considered a case of fraud. Finally, age of consent is a factor: If one or both applicants are under 18, they may need consent from a parent or guardian. If one or both applicants are under 15, you would normally need a court order, so this is an argument that can also be helpful if the spirits... or ah, you and this other person, are not actually in the typical age range for marriage, though I have yet to learn what exactly is considered proper marriage age in this place yet.

I wouldn't think so? It sounds like a wedding that happened while one or both parties were inebriated.

I could think of a few reasons why it would not, but upon reviewing some of the other responses here, the easiest would be to say that you were the wedding clothing for the spirits to wear. I highly doubt anyone would say that the dress and suit worn during a wedding are now married to each other.

[ A second text follows quickly. ]

Or two dresses or two suits.

I have many questions I'm dying to ask here.

Someone else broke it down way better than I could. If I were you, I'd read over carefully what they had to say. Honestly, it doesn't sound like you have anything to worry about here.

[You know one of the best parts of coming into something like this late is 1) most of the questions are answered 2) and in a way that you can figure things out whereby 3) you can just ask the real question that now everyone is wondering:]

So when is your "second" wedding? If you need another officiant to make this one more official, I will gladly render my services 😉

[Also he is totally pinging Darin with this if privately since alas he doesn't know who the lass he's smitten over is, but this is fun.]

Edited 2024-11-16 08:22 (UTC)

I'm with Sherlock on this one. You weren't the people getting married, just a way for them to make it happen.

(Things they don't ask: so did the ghosts use their bodies for the other stuff that happens with weddings? They're not sure they actually want to know the answer.)

Pretty sure if that weren't the case there'd need to be a lot of trials for attempted murder. (Because the ghosts were making people do that too.)

Why would it be binding if you were not yourself?

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